A Protestant Choice Rick Gamble This is my first …
A Protestant Choice
Rick Gamble
This is my first post on this blog-or any blog for that matter! I should be more computer savvy, but “high technology” when I wrote my dissertation was having one of those “new balls” on an IBM computer.
Anyway, thanks for setting this up, Bill et al. Hey- where are the italics for quasi-latin?
It seems that Caleb has set the issues squarely. At the time of the reformation there were two Protestant positions.
For the moment, grant continuity between the Lutherans and Reformed and have their position on one side. The other side were those who held to the Schleitheim Confession.
Their position was clear before Calvin wrote his Institutes. The State is “outside the perfection of Christ”. There were some “spheres” or “organizations” or “offices” that are not capable of redemption and “government” or “state” was simply one of those.
The position had historical precedent. In the ancient church there were two forbidden “professions”. They were not capable of “reformation”. Of course one was prostitution- and Bill and Caleb both know the other, right?
Anyway, I respect the classic Anabaptist/Menonite position. Sometimes it simply makes sense. However, I can’t square it with the scriptures. Therefore, since the State is not outside the perfection of Christ, then Protestants in the “magisterial” tradition have to work through the next steps.
Hopefully, these discussions will help believers to make those hard choices.
W.H. Chellis
June 21st, 2006 at 6:47 pm
I was so happy to see your post I moved it from the comments section to its own header!
paul bowman
June 21st, 2006 at 8:45 pm
[ahem] Maybe missing something right in front of me, but I’d be grateful if someone would clarify just what Dr Gamble’s referring to, this particular ‘forbidden profession’ of the ancient church. Thanks.
Richard C. Gamble
June 21st, 2006 at 9:03 pm
OK. Am glad that you knew how to do that!
W.H. Chellis
June 21st, 2006 at 9:53 pm
That is just Dr. Gamble’s idea of a lawyer joke.
paul bowman
June 22nd, 2006 at 7:12 am
oho!
W.H. Chellis
June 22nd, 2006 at 8:38 am
Good thing I repented right?
It is Caleb you have to keep an eye on.
Brent England
June 22nd, 2006 at 9:48 pm
So what does it mean to “reform” a profession? How does one “plumb” Christianly? Is he a Christian plumber or a Christian who is a plumber, or both?
Katsu
June 22nd, 2006 at 9:57 pm
Bill,
Did you know that Calvin too
was once “a law student”?
[Ist das richtig, Herr Doktor
Gamble?]
Katsunori@Kobe
W.H. Chellis
June 22nd, 2006 at 10:14 pm
Brent,
To be precise, plumming (although a good work) is not a profession but an occupation.
Richard C. Gamble
June 23rd, 2006 at 8:04 am
I liked Brent’s question. If it were reworded, it hits the heart of the matter.
“How does one ‘govern’ Christianly? Is he a christian magistrate or a Christian who is a magistrate?”
Mr. Endo, you are correct as usual!
Brent England
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:34 pm
Governing was my next question, but I thought I would give something a little different to start.