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RE: A Bold Claim or A Question for VanDrunen W.H. Chellis In your post you note, “Following his exaltation he rules the nations as the incarnate, resurrected Lord Jesus Christ.” I agree. This is the theological premise we are working with when we speak of the mediatorial Kingship of Christ. Yet, from your initial proposition [...]

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RE: Jape (or an even bolder idea than VanDrunen) W.H. Chellis Caleb has me thinking about catholicity and Augustine’s broad notion of the “coextensive nature of the church universal.” When we talk about the idea of corporate and national confessions of Christ there are questions that haunt me. I wonder if there are answers hidden [...]

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Blame it on Constantine D.G. Hart First, let me admit a measure of delight in seeing Covenanters disagree with each other. But I’ll also concede that this does not disprove the mediatorial kingship of Christ. It only makes it fun to watch. Second, I find Caleb’s intervention particularly helpful regarding the historical moment of both [...]

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A Bold Claim David VanDrunen I haven’t had the chance to join this discussion yet. Let me make a contribution by making the bold claim that, in a certain and important sense, the first coming of Christ and his being given authority over all things effected no change to civil life. Of course there are [...]

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Re: Jape Caleb Stegall I do think Fr. Jape gets the question of catholicity wrong in his overly developed animus towards the doctrine of election. Augustine, at least, accepted and taught both the coextensive nature of the church universal and affirmed election. To quote Figgis on Augustine: “Yet the Civitas Dei in its strict sense [...]

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The Japery should Consider its own Catholicity W.H. Chellis Our friends over at the The New Pantagruel Review have taken notice of our humble introduction into the blogging universe (no doubt in response to the distinguished contributions of their editor Caleb Stegall). We are glad for the exposure and happy to be noticed but… I [...]

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re: Our Historical impasse W.H. Chellis Caleb’s post provides helpful insight into the nature of our discussion. I am not convinced of the impropriety of “theological abstractions” (in fact with a diverse group like this I am unsure that this will prove comfortable ground). Systematic Theology is the queen of sciences and the formulations of [...]

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Our Historical Impasse Caleb Stegall Following up on my last post, I want to specifically make what is I think the most important yet typically overlooked point for these kinds of discussions. It is very easy for such discussions to move into the comfortable realm of theological abstractions. As Bill commented below: “does the Bible [...]

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Re: Augustine Caleb Stegall First, it is important to understand that Augustine’s two cities do not correspond to State and Church. They are two mystical communities or societies which are mixed in the “age that is passing away.” We have to understand that for Augustine, the power of the state is not a “just” power, [...]

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Augustine and the Covenanters W.H. Chellis We are sons of Augustine. No doubt about it. Yet, the question is ever present, which Augustine do you mean? If there is an Augustine who taught something akin to Rodger Williams, or who taught that submission to Christ’s reign should be relegated to the Church… I am afraid [...]

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