Entries from June 2006
RE: A Bold Claim or A Question for VanDrunen W.H. …
RE: A Bold Claim or A Question for VanDrunen
W.H. Chellis
In your post you note, “Following his exaltation he rules the nations as the incarnate, resurrected Lord Jesus Christ.” I agree. This is the theological premise we are working with when we speak of the mediatorial Kingship of Christ.
Yet, from your initial [...]
RE: Jape (or an even bolder idea than VanDrunen) W…
RE: Jape (or an even bolder idea than VanDrunen)
W.H. Chellis
Caleb has me thinking about catholicity and Augustine’s broad notion of the “coextensive nature of the church universal.”
When we talk about the idea of corporate and national confessions of Christ there are questions that haunt me. I wonder if there are answers hidden here.
What I [...]
Blame it on Constantine D.G. Hart First, let me a…
Blame it on Constantine
D.G. Hart
First, let me admit a measure of delight in seeing Covenanters disagree with each other. But I’ll also concede that this does not disprove the mediatorial kingship of Christ. It only makes it fun to watch.
Second, I find Caleb’s intervention particularly helpful regarding the historical moment of both Augustine’s City [...]
A Bold Claim David VanDrunen I haven’t had the c…
A Bold Claim
David VanDrunen
I haven’t had the chance to join this discussion yet. Let me make a contribution by making the bold claim that, in a certain and important sense, the first coming of Christ and his being given authority over all things effected no change to civil life. Of course there [...]
Re: Jape Caleb Stegall I do think Fr. Jape gets t…
Re: Jape
Caleb Stegall
I do think Fr. Jape gets the question of catholicity wrong in his overly developed animus towards the doctrine of election. Augustine, at least, accepted and taught both the coextensive nature of the church universal and affirmed election. To quote Figgis on Augustine:
“Yet the Civitas Dei in its strict sense is [...]
The Japery should Consider its own Catholicity W….
The Japery should Consider its own Catholicity
W.H. Chellis
Our friends over at the The New Pantagruel Review have taken notice of our humble introduction into the blogging universe (no doubt in response to the distinguished contributions of their editor Caleb Stegall). We are glad for the exposure and happy to be noticed but…
I fear [...]
re: Our Historical impasse W.H. Chellis Caleb’s p…
re: Our Historical impasse
W.H. Chellis
Caleb’s post provides helpful insight into the nature of our discussion. I am not convinced of the impropriety of “theological abstractions” (in fact with a diverse group like this I am unsure that this will prove comfortable ground). Systematic Theology is the queen of sciences and the formulations of [...]
Our Historical Impasse Caleb Stegall Following up…
Our Historical Impasse
Caleb Stegall
Following up on my last post, I want to specifically make what is I think the most important yet typically overlooked point for these kinds of discussions. It is very easy for such discussions to move into the comfortable realm of theological abstractions. As Bill commented below: “does the Bible teach that [...]
Re: Augustine Caleb Stegall First, it is importan…
Re: Augustine
Caleb Stegall
First, it is important to understand that Augustine’s two cities do not correspond to State and Church. They are two mystical communities or societies which are mixed in the “age that is passing away.â€
We have to understand that for Augustine, the power of the state is not a “just†power, but an [...]
Augustine and the Covenanters W.H. Chellis We ar…
Augustine and the Covenanters
W.H. Chellis
We are sons of Augustine. No doubt about it. Yet, the question is ever present, which Augustine do you mean? If there is an Augustine who taught something akin to Rodger Williams, or who taught that submission to Christ’s reign should be relegated to the Church… I [...]