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	<title>Comments on: Re: Rehabilitating TheonomyPeter J. LeithartBil&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr. Leithart,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;      As we seek to learn how the ten commandments are to be applied to civil government, is it likely that we will find that many of the policies theonomist promote for today's governments may turn out to be proper applications of the ten commandments for modern civil governments even though theonomist are looking to the civil law directly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr. Leithart,</p>
<p>      As we seek to learn how the ten commandments are to be applied to civil government, is it likely that we will find that many of the policies theonomist promote for today&#8217;s governments may turn out to be proper applications of the ten commandments for modern civil governments even though theonomist are looking to the civil law directly?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 23:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Dr Leithart, I now know what to call myself, that is, a 'chastened post theonomist'. I have read Rushdoony, Bahnsen and North, but it is yours and Rev. J Jordan's writings that I particularly enjoy.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Regards,&lt;BR/&gt;Tony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Dr Leithart, I now know what to call myself, that is, a &#8216;chastened post theonomist&#8217;. I have read Rushdoony, Bahnsen and North, but it is yours and Rev. J Jordan&#8217;s writings that I particularly enjoy.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />Tony</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Phil that there is a lot of theonomic-style thinking among seventeenth-century Reformed theologians.  I don't think they would have formulated theonomy as Bahnsen did, but many do show an instinct to go to the Bible for guidance in political matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Phil that there is a lot of theonomic-style thinking among seventeenth-century Reformed theologians.  I don&#8217;t think they would have formulated theonomy as Bahnsen did, but many do show an instinct to go to the Bible for guidance in political matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony, &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;A "chastened post-theonomist" is someone who a) recognizes the hermeneutical complexities of applying the Old Testament law to modern societies, but b) still thinks that the church should make the effort to work out these applications.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;James Jordan has done the best work in this vein, particularly in his *Law of the Covenant,* available online at freebooks.com.  Though he was never a theonomist, Vern Poythress has a similar approach to the Law in his *Shadow of Christ in the Law of Moses.*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony, </p>
<p>A &#8220;chastened post-theonomist&#8221; is someone who a) recognizes the hermeneutical complexities of applying the Old Testament law to modern societies, but b) still thinks that the church should make the effort to work out these applications.  </p>
<p>James Jordan has done the best work in this vein, particularly in his *Law of the Covenant,* available online at freebooks.com.  Though he was never a theonomist, Vern Poythress has a similar approach to the Law in his *Shadow of Christ in the Law of Moses.*</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't have problems with talking about natural law as a "low-decibel instinct."  My point was different. If I grant that we have an instinct to give due worship the True God, my question is how we know who that true God is?  Can I obey the First Commandment without Him speaking to me directly, in special revelation, and telling me who He is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have problems with talking about natural law as a &#8220;low-decibel instinct.&#8221;  My point was different. If I grant that we have an instinct to give due worship the True God, my question is how we know who that true God is?  Can I obey the First Commandment without Him speaking to me directly, in special revelation, and telling me who He is?</p>
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		<title>By: dilys</title>
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		<dc:creator>dilys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 15:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;EM&gt;What is the natural law argument that supports "You shall have no other gods before Me," that is, before Yahweh, God of the Exodus? What is the natural law argument for saying, "You shall not bow down to graven images"? What is the natural law argument for saying, "You shall not take the name of Yahweh your God in vain"?&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;With no technical knowledge of theonomy, may I suggest that the natural desire for justice, that is, giving due rightly, seems hard-wired? And that the revelation of the "dueness" of worshipping the True God and not bowing down to idols is glorious revealed explanatory Footnote?  That is, Natural Law as topic sentence, revelation (especially the ethical) as fleshing out the paragraph with instruction as a "user's manual" toward regaining the reopened Paradise. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Natural Law as something like low-decibel instinct, revelation constituting directions for the "culture" harmonious to the inner Law, living in harmony with and increasingly susceptible to grace. Nature and nurture in coooperation, to take a parallel from ordinary human development.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Of course, Natural Law is not particularly helpful in winnowing out the competing claims of revelation, thus is only a blunt tool for much of theological discourse. And the scope of the discussion here may be more focused than is assisted by these comments.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Good wishes on the new blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>What is the natural law argument that supports &#8220;You shall have no other gods before Me,&#8221; that is, before Yahweh, God of the Exodus? What is the natural law argument for saying, &#8220;You shall not bow down to graven images&#8221;? What is the natural law argument for saying, &#8220;You shall not take the name of Yahweh your God in vain&#8221;?</em></p>
<p>With no technical knowledge of theonomy, may I suggest that the natural desire for justice, that is, giving due rightly, seems hard-wired? And that the revelation of the &#8220;dueness&#8221; of worshipping the True God and not bowing down to idols is glorious revealed explanatory Footnote?  That is, Natural Law as topic sentence, revelation (especially the ethical) as fleshing out the paragraph with instruction as a &#8220;user&#8217;s manual&#8221; toward regaining the reopened Paradise. </p>
<p>Natural Law as something like low-decibel instinct, revelation constituting directions for the &#8220;culture&#8221; harmonious to the inner Law, living in harmony with and increasingly susceptible to grace. Nature and nurture in coooperation, to take a parallel from ordinary human development.</p>
<p>Of course, Natural Law is not particularly helpful in winnowing out the competing claims of revelation, thus is only a blunt tool for much of theological discourse. And the scope of the discussion here may be more focused than is assisted by these comments.</p>
<p>Good wishes on the new blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 07:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr Leithart,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;What is a 'chastised post theonomist'?   Where should I look to find out what 'chastised post theonomists' believe. I am a 'late-comer'into this field, I have read a lot of Rushdoony and North, and not much else on the matter. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Regards,&lt;BR/&gt;Tony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr Leithart,</p>
<p>What is a &#8216;chastised post theonomist&#8217;?   Where should I look to find out what &#8216;chastised post theonomists&#8217; believe. I am a &#8216;late-comer&#8217;into this field, I have read a lot of Rushdoony and North, and not much else on the matter. </p>
<p>Regards,<br />Tony</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this isn't too far afield. . . .&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If expanded (maybe even shifted) the definition of "theonomy," would it not be easy to use this to describe Knox, Rutherford, and other Westminster Divines in the sense that they were quick to go to Scriptures to justify activities in the &lt;I&gt;saeculum&lt;/I&gt;? I'm thinking especially of Knox's and Rutherford's biblical side references, as well as the "proof texts" for the WCF 23:3 (1646). They didn't seem to perceive a need to argue their points from natural law. And at least in Knox's &lt;I&gt;Trumpet Blast&lt;/I&gt;, it doesn't look like he was arguing intramurally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this isn&#8217;t too far afield. . . .</p>
<p>If expanded (maybe even shifted) the definition of &#8220;theonomy,&#8221; would it not be easy to use this to describe Knox, Rutherford, and other Westminster Divines in the sense that they were quick to go to Scriptures to justify activities in the <i>saeculum</i>? I&#8217;m thinking especially of Knox&#8217;s and Rutherford&#8217;s biblical side references, as well as the &#8220;proof texts&#8221; for the WCF 23:3 (1646). They didn&#8217;t seem to perceive a need to argue their points from natural law. And at least in Knox&#8217;s <i>Trumpet Blast</i>, it doesn&#8217;t look like he was arguing intramurally.</p>
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