Comments on: A Few Theses http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/ The Reign of Christ Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:06:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: GAS http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-1015 GAS Tue, 05 Jun 2007 05:02:57 +0000 http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-1015 "Put simply, Neuhaus and Walsh overestimate the capacity of rational argument and propositional truth to sustain the structures of order. This overestimation is not surprising as it flows from what is a fundamentally liberal misunderstanding of the sources and character of order itself." Or perhaps their overestimation (of the capacity of rational argument and propositional truth) flows fundamentally from Catholic dogma concerning the capacity of conscience as a supernatural gift that can be incited toward the good if trained and developed by reason. “Put simply, Neuhaus and Walsh overestimate the capacity of rational argument and propositional truth to sustain the structures of order. This overestimation is not surprising as it flows from what is a fundamentally liberal misunderstanding of the sources and character of order itself.”

Or perhaps their overestimation (of the capacity of rational argument and propositional truth) flows fundamentally from Catholic dogma concerning the capacity of conscience as a supernatural gift that can be incited toward the good if trained and developed by reason.

]]> By: Caleb Stegall http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-967 Caleb Stegall Thu, 31 May 2007 16:45:41 +0000 http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-967 <i>But I am curious, Caleb, what is “the best of the alternative American tradition”?</i> Not entirely sure ... but I look to anti-Federalists, prairie populists, agrarians, etc ... But I am curious, Caleb, what is “the best of the alternative American tradition”?

Not entirely sure … but I look to anti-Federalists, prairie populists, agrarians, etc …

]]> By: D Hart http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-964 D Hart Thu, 31 May 2007 16:20:40 +0000 http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-964 I've enjoyed again watching Covenanters fight -- that's where. (Plus I was at the Phillies game last night.) But I am curious, Caleb, what is "the best of the alternative American tradition"? BTW, I really don't know what to think of the Stegal-Chellis exchange since I am still coming to terms with my liberal soul. I am no proponent of a glorious American revolution. My sympathies are really with the anti-federalists. But believe it or not, Locke on religious liberty makes sense to me. That is an indication of how much I think Constantinianism was a mistake, nay, a perversion of Christianity. I’ve enjoyed again watching Covenanters fight — that’s where. (Plus I was at the Phillies game last night.)

But I am curious, Caleb, what is “the best of the alternative American tradition”?

BTW, I really don’t know what to think of the Stegal-Chellis exchange since I am still coming to terms with my liberal soul. I am no proponent of a glorious American revolution. My sympathies are really with the anti-federalists. But believe it or not, Locke on religious liberty makes sense to me. That is an indication of how much I think Constantinianism was a mistake, nay, a perversion of Christianity.

]]> By: W.H. Chellis http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-948 W.H. Chellis Thu, 31 May 2007 13:49:56 +0000 http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-948 I need to read Kendall. I have nothing in my library from him. My only contact by way of Nash's history of the Conservative Movement. I need to read Kendall. I have nothing in my library from him. My only contact by way of Nash’s history of the Conservative Movement.

]]> By: Caleb Stegall http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-947 Caleb Stegall Thu, 31 May 2007 13:43:32 +0000 http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-947 Thanks Bill. I don't identify as a Tory. I think the best of the alternative American tradition leaves the Tory/Whig divide behind. That Kirk did not leave it behind is, I think, a legitimate criticism (made most effectively by Willamore Kendall). Thanks Bill. I don’t identify as a Tory. I think the best of the alternative American tradition leaves the Tory/Whig divide behind. That Kirk did not leave it behind is, I think, a legitimate criticism (made most effectively by Willamore Kendall).

]]> By: W.H. Chellis http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-943 W.H. Chellis Thu, 31 May 2007 12:18:58 +0000 http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-943 Caleb, I appreciate what you are saying in these posts and heartily agree with most of it. I would never call myself a "conservative liberal" nor do I feel any great demand to associate myself with the cause of the Whigs. Still, I am a happy inheritor of a good deal of positive that has come down from the whig/liberal tradition. True Torys went to Canada or back to England during the War for Independence. Only a conservative whig could identify the American Revolution as a "revolution not made but prevented." Maybe I will have to wait for Kansas First! but I am unsure of how an American alternative to the conservative whig tradition can be throught through and applied without degrading into an ideology. BTW where is Darryl on this? Caleb, I appreciate what you are saying in these posts and heartily agree with most of it. I would never call myself a “conservative liberal” nor do I feel any great demand to associate myself with the cause of the Whigs. Still, I am a happy inheritor of a good deal of positive that has come down from the whig/liberal tradition. True Torys went to Canada or back to England during the War for Independence. Only a conservative whig could identify the American Revolution as a “revolution not made but prevented.”

Maybe I will have to wait for Kansas First! but I am unsure of how an American alternative to the conservative whig tradition can be throught through and applied without degrading into an ideology.

BTW where is Darryl on this?

]]> By: Caleb Stegall http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-937 Caleb Stegall Wed, 30 May 2007 20:45:55 +0000 http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-937 <i>although I welcome it to recognize Christ’s rule and to eat of His table! </i> Only people can do that. More prosaically, I think it raises the question of what are the liberal habits which most of the church has embraced and which undermine the claims of Christ's table? although I welcome it to recognize Christ’s rule and to eat of His table!

Only people can do that.

More prosaically, I think it raises the question of what are the liberal habits which most of the church has embraced and which undermine the claims of Christ’s table?

]]> By: Caleb Stegall http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-936 Caleb Stegall Wed, 30 May 2007 20:40:17 +0000 http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-936 Good! I take it you are no longer a conservative liberal? Good! I take it you are no longer a conservative liberal?

]]> By: W.H. Chellis http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-935 W.H. Chellis Wed, 30 May 2007 20:39:47 +0000 http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-935 But... I do think the discussion does raise the issues of Christ's Mediatorial Kingship again. I will not play by liberalism rules or eat at its table... although I welcome it to recognize Christ's rule and to eat of His table! But… I do think the discussion does raise the issues of Christ’s Mediatorial Kingship again. I will not play by liberalism rules or eat at its table… although I welcome it to recognize Christ’s rule and to eat of His table!

]]> By: W.H. Chellis http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-934 W.H. Chellis Wed, 30 May 2007 20:36:49 +0000 http://deregnochristi.org/2007/05/29/a-few-theses/#comment-934 See that... we dont really disagree after all. See that… we dont really disagree after all.

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