Comments on: Social Contract liberalism? http://deregnochristi.org/2007/07/20/social-contract-liberalism/ The Reign of Christ Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:14:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Andrew Matthews http://deregnochristi.org/2007/07/20/social-contract-liberalism/#comment-1256 Andrew Matthews Tue, 24 Jul 2007 04:38:42 +0000 http://deregnochristi.org/2007/07/20/social-contract-liberalism/#comment-1256 Bill, if families and nations can in some sense be considered part of the Church, why can't they be corporately justified? Bill, if families and nations can in some sense be considered part of the Church, why can’t they be corporately justified?

]]> By: W.H. Chellis http://deregnochristi.org/2007/07/20/social-contract-liberalism/#comment-1246 W.H. Chellis Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:50:48 +0000 http://deregnochristi.org/2007/07/20/social-contract-liberalism/#comment-1246 Darryl. I love your response comments. The last was a classic. More seriously, your post makes an interesting point. If you agree that communities, families, even nations, are moral person with corporate personalities I will agree that such moral persons cannot be justified at a corporate level. Although I think I can affirm that the church as the body of Christ is corporately justified without becoming a F.V.? As long as the Church is viewed in real/mystical union with Christ (however this has nothing to do with politics). Darryl. I love your response comments. The last was a classic.

More seriously, your post makes an interesting point. If you agree that communities, families, even nations, are moral person with corporate personalities I will agree that such moral persons cannot be justified at a corporate level.

Although I think I can affirm that the church as the body of Christ is corporately justified without becoming a F.V.? As long as the Church is viewed in real/mystical union with Christ (however this has nothing to do with politics).

]]> By: D Hart http://deregnochristi.org/2007/07/20/social-contract-liberalism/#comment-1245 D Hart Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:47:05 +0000 http://deregnochristi.org/2007/07/20/social-contract-liberalism/#comment-1245 Bill, and what does your sympathy for anti-federalism do to the nation as moral person argument? I see nothing in my views that explicitly involves individualism, unless it is my not conceiving of the nation or the collective in the same way as you. But surely there's some room between me and Hobbes. (By the way, the Communists loved anti-individualists.) I affirm social and covenantal bonds. I believe in the importance of local communities, families, and churches. But I don't see why those commitments would require me to read through the Shorter Catechism and apply justification, adoption and sanctification either to the Harts or to Levittown. Even at the corporate level of the church I'm having trouble identifying a collective understanding of justification. Wait a minute. I can. It is Federal Vision. Now I get it. Bill is a closet Federal Visionary. What's good for the implied goose is good for the implied gander. Bill, and what does your sympathy for anti-federalism do to the nation as moral person argument? I see nothing in my views that explicitly involves individualism, unless it is my not conceiving of the nation or the collective in the same way as you. But surely there’s some room between me and Hobbes. (By the way, the Communists loved anti-individualists.)

I affirm social and covenantal bonds. I believe in the importance of local communities, families, and churches. But I don’t see why those commitments would require me to read through the Shorter Catechism and apply justification, adoption and sanctification either to the Harts or to Levittown. Even at the corporate level of the church I’m having trouble identifying a collective understanding of justification. Wait a minute. I can. It is Federal Vision.

Now I get it. Bill is a closet Federal Visionary. What’s good for the implied goose is good for the implied gander.

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