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	<title>Comments on: Can Westminster Seminary Put the Genie Back in the Bottle?</title>
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		<title>By: old providence presbyterian church</title>
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		<dc:creator>old providence presbyterian church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fate of Pete Enns may well be decided. Enns, of course, is the author of the controversial book, Ihttp://deregnochristi.org/2008/03/22/can-westminster-seminary-put-the-genie-back-in-the-bottle/Through April 26 The Andalusia Star-NewsBETHEL AFRICAN METHODIST EPISCOPAL church will sponsor a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: KnodelJr</title>
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		<dc:creator>KnodelJr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was heartening to read Hart's carefully defined/delineated description of this news item.  It reminded me of the exhortation of Hebrews 2:1, "Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away."  Fear of either God, or the spiritual-theological tendencyto "drift," is difficult to discern in our day.  Few seem zealous to understand yesteryear's theology, and fewer still are those who see its relevance for our sad day.  Obviously this malaise (i.e., drifting) may afflict even the good types of people who might be represented by the "Hebrews."  The author warns them precisely because of their vulnerability.  So why aren't we more fearful, humble and timid(concerning our tendency "to drift") today?

This debate raged in the old Journey Magazine for about four years.  At the time, many accused us of sensationalism and Christian insensitivity.  It appears that the root problems continue with Mr. Enns, and Hart manages to characterize WTS's complex problems fairly accurately.

Considering the then theological culture (the "rotten wood" of B.B Warfield's comment), the Old WTS was almost a miracle.  It was definitely a dramatic movement of God's Spirit against the Zeitgeist.  May I be so bold as to argue that the "miracle" has not been sustained -- to our day. Populism, evangelicalism, celebrity-ism and syncretism are not ineffecutal enemies of the church -- but deadly enemies.  Yet, with all their skill and worldly charm, there is (thankfully) no prophecy which countenances their ultimate victory!  That is reserved for our Great King and High Priest -- Jesus Christ and his Orthodoxy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was heartening to read Hart&#8217;s carefully defined/delineated description of this news item.  It reminded me of the exhortation of Hebrews 2:1, &#8220;Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away.&#8221;  Fear of either God, or the spiritual-theological tendencyto &#8220;drift,&#8221; is difficult to discern in our day.  Few seem zealous to understand yesteryear&#8217;s theology, and fewer still are those who see its relevance for our sad day.  Obviously this malaise (i.e., drifting) may afflict even the good types of people who might be represented by the &#8220;Hebrews.&#8221;  The author warns them precisely because of their vulnerability.  So why aren&#8217;t we more fearful, humble and timid(concerning our tendency &#8220;to drift&#8221;) today?</p>
<p>This debate raged in the old Journey Magazine for about four years.  At the time, many accused us of sensationalism and Christian insensitivity.  It appears that the root problems continue with Mr. Enns, and Hart manages to characterize WTS&#8217;s complex problems fairly accurately.</p>
<p>Considering the then theological culture (the &#8220;rotten wood&#8221; of B.B Warfield&#8217;s comment), the Old WTS was almost a miracle.  It was definitely a dramatic movement of God&#8217;s Spirit against the Zeitgeist.  May I be so bold as to argue that the &#8220;miracle&#8221; has not been sustained &#8212; to our day. Populism, evangelicalism, celebrity-ism and syncretism are not ineffecutal enemies of the church &#8212; but deadly enemies.  Yet, with all their skill and worldly charm, there is (thankfully) no prophecy which countenances their ultimate victory!  That is reserved for our Great King and High Priest &#8212; Jesus Christ and his Orthodoxy.</p>
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		<title>By: Relevant links in regards to Peter Enns and the Board of Westminster&#8217;s recent actions &#171; &#8216;Conn&#8217;-versation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Relevant links in regards to Peter Enns and the Board of Westminster&#8217;s recent actions &#171; &#8216;Conn&#8217;-versation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Can Westminster Seminary Put the Genie Back in the Bottle? by Darryl Hart [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Blog Long Island &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What was at stake&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blog Long Island &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What was at stake&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#34;What hurts the chances for such a restoration of Westminster&#8217;s original vision is the presence of other theological tendencies that may be more conservative than Enns&#8217; proposal but are just as uncomfortable with a militant and ecclesiastically disciplined Reformed witness. New Life Presbyterianism&#8217;s pietistic quest for relevance, Christian counseling&#8217;s egalitarian leveling of the minister&#8217;s pulpit and the counselor&#8217;s armchair, and neo-Calvinism&#8217;s push for cultural transformation all clutter the path back to the original balance of biblical theology, Reformed orthodoxy, and committed Presbyterianism. The vote on Enns could be a step in the right direction. But depending on how much the board understands how far contemporary WTS is from its founding, the vote on Enns could end up only adding to the confusion at WTS.&#34; (Can Westminster Seminary Put the Genie Back in the Bottle?) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &quot;What hurts the chances for such a restoration of Westminster&#8217;s original vision is the presence of other theological tendencies that may be more conservative than Enns&#8217; proposal but are just as uncomfortable with a militant and ecclesiastically disciplined Reformed witness. New Life Presbyterianism&#8217;s pietistic quest for relevance, Christian counseling&#8217;s egalitarian leveling of the minister&#8217;s pulpit and the counselor&#8217;s armchair, and neo-Calvinism&#8217;s push for cultural transformation all clutter the path back to the original balance of biblical theology, Reformed orthodoxy, and committed Presbyterianism. The vote on Enns could be a step in the right direction. But depending on how much the board understands how far contemporary WTS is from its founding, the vote on Enns could end up only adding to the confusion at WTS.&quot; (Can Westminster Seminary Put the Genie Back in the Bottle?) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Enns&#8217; Suspension Discussed at WTS&#160;&#124;&#160;Scripture &#38; Theology</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Enns&#8217; Suspension Discussed at WTS&#160;&#124;&#160;Scripture &#38; Theology</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] of this chatter see here and here.) Some succeeded in drawing attention to the controversy well before news broke in official channels. A current student posted full audio of todayâ€™s chapel address [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of this chatter see here and here.) Some succeeded in drawing attention to the controversy well before news broke in official channels. A current student posted full audio of todayâ€™s chapel address [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>GAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm struck by the fact that perhaps someone could post the archives from 1950's and 1960's of the old "Reformed Journal" and "Torch and Trumpet" and then each side could merely requote what has essentially been argued in another venue.

Even moreso, we could go back a century and hear what Kuyper said to the Presbyterian Historical Society:

"See here, then, my answer. In case you have to deal with a gentleman or a lady, who pleads enthusiastically for splendid music, brilliant singing and richly decorated churches, but to whom the confession for which our martyrs died, is immaterial; not caring a bit for the most fundamental points of our confession; and almost refusing to give an answer, if a reason is asked of the hope that is in them,ï¿½then know that the symbolical blood-poisoning has commenced, and try to save them with meekness and fear. But if, on the contrary, the man who warmly and even with cogency vindicated the rights of a more dignified liturgical worship, becomes threefold more earnest and eloquent, as often as the foundations of the divine Truth are assailed, then do not be afraid, such a one has no drop of symbolism in his lifeblood. In him speaks the true Calvinist. And, rather than mistrust him, you might better correct your own lack of obedience to the law of the Sublime and the Beautiful, which God has ordained."

That warning a century ago should be applied in our contemporary situation, viz, on the one hand those who would want to make the gospel "relevant" are in danger of losing the confessional nature of truth while on the other hand the hyper-traditionalists deny the experiential knowledge of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m struck by the fact that perhaps someone could post the archives from 1950&#8217;s and 1960&#8217;s of the old &#8220;Reformed Journal&#8221; and &#8220;Torch and Trumpet&#8221; and then each side could merely requote what has essentially been argued in another venue.</p>
<p>Even moreso, we could go back a century and hear what Kuyper said to the Presbyterian Historical Society:</p>
<p>&#8220;See here, then, my answer. In case you have to deal with a gentleman or a lady, who pleads enthusiastically for splendid music, brilliant singing and richly decorated churches, but to whom the confession for which our martyrs died, is immaterial; not caring a bit for the most fundamental points of our confession; and almost refusing to give an answer, if a reason is asked of the hope that is in them,ï¿½then know that the symbolical blood-poisoning has commenced, and try to save them with meekness and fear. But if, on the contrary, the man who warmly and even with cogency vindicated the rights of a more dignified liturgical worship, becomes threefold more earnest and eloquent, as often as the foundations of the divine Truth are assailed, then do not be afraid, such a one has no drop of symbolism in his lifeblood. In him speaks the true Calvinist. And, rather than mistrust him, you might better correct your own lack of obedience to the law of the Sublime and the Beautiful, which God has ordained.&#8221;</p>
<p>That warning a century ago should be applied in our contemporary situation, viz, on the one hand those who would want to make the gospel &#8220;relevant&#8221; are in danger of losing the confessional nature of truth while on the other hand the hyper-traditionalists deny the experiential knowledge of God.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Cord &#187; Scripture vs. Tradition at Westminster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Cord &#187; Scripture vs. Tradition at Westminster</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] approach to the Scriptures does not line up with traditional Reformed theology, as is recognized by De Regno Christi, a web site set up by Reformed Christian Witness (the author&#8217;s of the site seem to approve of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: In Light of the Gospel &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Issue Concerning WTS &#38; Enns</title>
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		<dc:creator>In Light of the Gospel &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Issue Concerning WTS &#38; Enns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is adopted from Dillard], and WTS is only now taking action to deal with it. In his post &#8220;Can Westminster Seminary Put the Genie Back in the Bottle,&#8221; D. G. Hart also points out that Enns is only part of the broad range of issues that WTS [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is adopted from Dillard], and WTS is only now taking action to deal with it. In his post &#8220;Can Westminster Seminary Put the Genie Back in the Bottle,&#8221; D. G. Hart also points out that Enns is only part of the broad range of issues that WTS [...]</p>
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		<title>By: stevez</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

I am. If it makes you feel any better, our own time with the CRC is extremely limited, and for something of a similar reason that beguiles you ("the CRC is doing virtually nothing to ensure that solid reformed doctrine is passed on to the next generation"). She and I are more at odds than not, lamentably: http://confessionalouthouse.wordpress.com/2007/10/22/letter-to-the-committee-on-the-proposed-revision-to-the-fos/

But I will still take Church over para-church any day, to say nothing of the latter that "follows" an un-Reformed document. "Follows" is one of those under-confessionalist terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>I am. If it makes you feel any better, our own time with the CRC is extremely limited, and for something of a similar reason that beguiles you (&#8221;the CRC is doing virtually nothing to ensure that solid reformed doctrine is passed on to the next generation&#8221;). She and I are more at odds than not, lamentably: <a href="http://confessionalouthouse.wordpress.com/2007/10/22/letter-to-the-committee-on-the-proposed-revision-to-the-fos/" rel="nofollow">http://confessionalouthouse.wordpress.com/2007/10/22/letter-to-the-committee-on-the-proposed-revision-to-the-fos/</a></p>
<p>But I will still take Church over para-church any day, to say nothing of the latter that &#8220;follows&#8221; an un-Reformed document. &#8220;Follows&#8221; is one of those under-confessionalist terms.</p>
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