Comments on: Is Obama Wright or Wrong? http://deregnochristi.org/2008/03/27/is-obama-wright-or-wrong/ The Reign of Christ Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:19:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: pilgrim http://deregnochristi.org/2008/03/27/is-obama-wright-or-wrong/#comment-2969 pilgrim Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:38:30 +0000 http://deregnochristi.org/2008/03/27/is-obama-wright-or-wrong/#comment-2969 I think it's pretty clear that Obama is wrong. Call me cynical, but I'm with those who say he joined the church because, as an outsider in more ways than one, it gave him credibility locally whether he believed what Wright preached or not. (And the idea that he wasn't aware of Wright's rantings stretches credulity at best.) He knew that Wright was too hot to handle in a national campaign, which is why they decided not to have Wright appear with him when he announced his candidacy last year. I believe that on more than one occasion over the past year or so Wright himself was quoted saying that Obama would probably have to distance himself from him if he became a viable candidate. I think the biggest damage this episode does to Obama, besides possibly energizing people to vote against him that otherwise may have stayed home, is that, his attempts to be seen as being above politics and business as usual aside, it shows him to be just another calculating, pandering and quite possibly mendacious politician. Is it possible that you missed Hanson's point, which was that Obama should leave the church? Or maybe your argument is that Hanson wants him to do so for the wrong reasons since in point 8 you call for him to leave the church as well. I don't read the NRO site regularly enough to know whether Hanson is appealing to a vague civil religion here but I think it would be a bit unrealistic to expect Obama to announce he was leaving Trinity UCC for one that preaches the gospel and that he is now "rooting his thought in a less earthly more balanced eschatology." :) I cannot understand any conservative case for Obama at all unless a conservative in this case is defined as being a single issue war voter as it appears the author of the linked piece is. Even if we think that most in the GOP simply keep the abortion issue alive as a wedge issue, I cannot conceive voting for a man who is apparently <a href="http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18647" rel="nofollow">more pro-abortion than NARAL</a>. I could see staying home or voting third party, but a vote for Obama thinking that he's the best choice for conservatives is too clever by half. Wasn't Burke a Whig and not a Tory? Anyway, what hath Toryism to do with Christianity? Did Paul show more loyalty to an abstraction rather than to a person when he opposed Peter to his face when Peter was led astray by the Judiazers? Speaking of "chickens coming home to roost", James Cone, the principal architect of black liberation theology, is the Charles A. Briggs Distinguished Professor of Systematic Theology at Union Theological Seminary. I think it’s pretty clear that Obama is wrong. Call me cynical, but I’m with those who say he joined the church because, as an outsider in more ways than one, it gave him credibility locally whether he believed what Wright preached or not. (And the idea that he wasn’t aware of Wright’s rantings stretches credulity at best.) He knew that Wright was too hot to handle in a national campaign, which is why they decided not to have Wright appear with him when he announced his candidacy last year. I believe that on more than one occasion over the past year or so Wright himself was quoted saying that Obama would probably have to distance himself from him if he became a viable candidate.

I think the biggest damage this episode does to Obama, besides possibly energizing people to vote against him that otherwise may have stayed home, is that, his attempts to be seen as being above politics and business as usual aside, it shows him to be just another calculating, pandering and quite possibly mendacious politician.

Is it possible that you missed Hanson’s point, which was that Obama should leave the church? Or maybe your argument is that Hanson wants him to do so for the wrong reasons since in point 8 you call for him to leave the church as well. I don’t read the NRO site regularly enough to know whether Hanson is appealing to a vague civil religion here but I think it would be a bit unrealistic to expect Obama to announce he was leaving Trinity UCC for one that preaches the gospel and that he is now “rooting his thought in a less earthly more balanced eschatology.” :)

I cannot understand any conservative case for Obama at all unless a conservative in this case is defined as being a single issue war voter as it appears the author of the linked piece is. Even if we think that most in the GOP simply keep the abortion issue alive as a wedge issue, I cannot conceive voting for a man who is apparently more pro-abortion than NARAL. I could see staying home or voting third party, but a vote for Obama thinking that he’s the best choice for conservatives is too clever by half.

Wasn’t Burke a Whig and not a Tory? Anyway, what hath Toryism to do with Christianity? Did Paul show more loyalty to an abstraction rather than to a person when he opposed Peter to his face when Peter was led astray by the Judiazers?

Speaking of “chickens coming home to roost”, James Cone, the principal architect of black liberation theology, is the Charles A. Briggs Distinguished Professor of Systematic Theology at Union Theological Seminary.

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